As recommended by Lauri, I am posting a video of croatian male singing. The groups are called "klapa" which means "male gang" and verb "klapati" means to fit. So klapa means man group with voices that fits.
Klapa songs are characteristic for coastal Croatia and islands.
Song is old traditional song "my daddy". Son adress his father who left his family in poverty and calls him back. In old days, people went to sea to earn for bread, but many did not returned.
Hope you will like it and comment it.
Original text is:
Sad sam naresa dosa san velik
Mater govori da san ti nalik
I da san isti ka tvoja slika
Kad si se ono s materon slika
Svak mi se ruga da si uteka
Mater govori da si joj reka
Zdravljen se kleja da ces se vratit
Oli zivoton svojin to platit
Cale moj, cale moj
Nosin jaketu zutu i gace
Ca si posla mi tisne i krace
Mater je uvik u tvojoj vesti
Pa nam se smiju da smo furesti
Tija bi cale ka druga dica
Jemat uza se svojega oca
S tobon se igrat, uz tebe lezat
Slusat te pricat, uvik te gledat
Cekan te uvik da nam se vratis
Niko ne misli da svoj dug platis
Ven da uz mater u miru zivis
Pa da nam kucu opet ozivis
Mater ce umrit od velog jada
Ko ce pogledat na mene tada
Vrati se cale puno te molim
Barem prez solda jerbo te volim
In estonian it should be something like this:
Nüüd ma üles kasvasin, sain suure
Mater räägib, et ma näen teid
Ja ma olen sama oma pilt
Kui olete, et pilt ema
Igaühel Õppuste katsed mulle, et olete pääsenud
Ema ütleb, et sa ütlesid talle
Vannun oma tervist, et te tagasi
või oma eluga maksate
Mu isa, mu isa
Kannan jope kollane ja püksid
et sa saatsid mind kõvasti ja lühikese
Ema on alati oma pusa
nii nad naerma, et meil on halb.
Ma tahan, minu isa, kui teised lapsed
on isa minu kõrval
mängida saate ja pikali heita koos teiega
Kuula sina ja rääkida ja alati vaata ennast
Olen alati ootama, et sa tagasi meie juurde.
Keegi arvab, et te ei mõista oma sügavus
kuid ema rahus elada
Nii et meie majas elavad taas
Mater surevad oma leina
Kes vaatab mulle siis
Tagasi siin, ma palun palju, issi
Isegi ilma rahata, sest ma armastan sind palju
Once Hemingway was sick and tired meeting Estonian sailors in every port of the Pacific.
I have met Croatian daddies in Korean ports.
Can you find some simple sailors or villagers singing Croatian folk songs not on a stage, but for their personal fun.
I would like to listen to them.
May be you have "singing clubs" there similar to ours?!
May be we can meet some day?
I've read, that quite recently the tradition of long epic songs was still alive among the Slavs of Balkan. How's the current situation? Do you still sing them?
Croatia , due to its unhappy past is wastly destroyed and divided. There are several main accents divided in four major groups according to word "what" (Mis). Coastal area has "ča" accent, most of inland has "to" accent, north-west area has "kaj" accent and some of the distance island has "ca" accent.
In general "kaj" people can not understand "ča" people. According to that you can presume that folk songs are also very different in such small area and traditional instruments are also very different.
Except highlands there are no strictly divides between male and female singing.
But due to foruum title, I think folk songs involving female vocals are not appropriate.
Northern parts has no tradition in male vocal singing without instruments.
here are videos of original klapa singers in their natural environment.
when you say epic songs, you probably thinking about macedonian-bulgarian songs and folklore?
I know, that you don't want to be put together with Serbs (and Slovenians), but they say:
"The Theme, focuses on the repetitions in content that appear in ancient epic. Parry writes that the same theme can be expressed by many different formulas, and analyzes several examples from Serbo-Croatian poetry to demonstrate his points."
Thanks Timo for all your comments. Rough or not rough I am quite enjoying , not only your vocal singing or rock music but also language itself. Although we have no connection with mexicans :D klapa singing is calm singing.
Most rough singing I presented on ohter post with "oy" singers. As for tradition, besides the fact that our balkan spoken languages are very similar, generaly speaking, especially croatian and serbian, religion, letters , music and culture are more different. Most folk music that is in common is result of nation mixing due long period of turkish presence.
Most "epic" songs and music you mentioned, if you ask me, you can find in macedonian-bulgarian folk songs. Search on youtube for "kaba gaida" (torupil) or songs like "zajdi zajdi" and "jovano jovanke". Kaba gaida is bulgarian and macedonian bagpipe with almost most beautiful sound among bagpipes. The folk tradition is that 100 players plays kaba gaida in order to repel evil spirits. [img][/img]
I hope on next post , you can do something for me :D
I will provide one or two very interesting (for me thou) estonian male singing songs and you can, if you are so kind provide text of the songs.
Well there are not much video tracks to be found on strictly male singing. This video I found on "janespoiss" channel and seems it is sung by Lauri and maybe some of your guys.
This melody I have been wistiling by myself for last few days. Hope you can help me with lyrics for this one. How do you find so many lyrics you are posting around here? Where is the source?
I know, that it's not polite to hand over private correspondence, but I think, that the following information is important for understanding Klapa:
Klapa is popular singing as it is polyphonic singing. It is "new" tradition, influenced from italian "a capella" singing.
Alhough it is present here in past times,widely popular became in first half on 20th century with full range of singers when almost every little town has its own klapa. Before that period klapa was present but with use of lower diverse of tones (baritons etc..)Klapa was "invented" by glagolic monestary brotherhood in medieval period.Of course I can not present pre-modern klapa songs as they are not preserved.
Glagolic would be old croatian letters developed in 9th century by slavic tribes and in use until 19th century. In 16th century latinic letters are started to be implemented.
Origin is only in croatian , sorry
Most arhaic of croatian singing is called "ganga" singing. It is still alive in rural areas. They are short,about one minute and it live in way you like - in folks,rather than on stage. Peronally I do not like nor I can identify myself with it. You can't hear it on radio due its unpopularity as labeled as primitive singing.But sure can post some amateur footage if asked by you or others.
I can also post Lika singers, croatian or serbian or even macedonian, but they are no strictly male singing without instrument acompanient.
Of course if any interest is shown.Slovenia has no tradition in male singing.
-------------------------------------------->Slovenia has no
> tradition in male singing.
a good and wise friend, Tomi, from Slovenia wrote:
Well, I wouldn't say that... depends what you mena by male singing. Slovenia has very decent tradition of small male choirs (octet is very popular) singing together, but also of vomen choirs. It is true, however, that in some strongly patriarhaic societies, like in Mediteranean countries, where women were excluded from most of public appearances and activities, there is a stronger tradition of specifical male groups (similar to Dalmatian "klapa", or "a capella" singing, typically polifonic (Corsica, Sardinia, South Italy and France in general ... or trallaleri of Genoa
Slovenia is most close country to Croatia in many ways and has rich folk tradition, but slovenian oktet as you mentioned is "a capella" form of singing developed in 1950's by slovenians that,among other moved to USA and there formed oktet singing in respect of fatherland. It is popular singing and therefore I think not traditional,surely not arhaic. Although on first sight similar to klapa singing, tradition is quite different, as I wrote to Timo and he posted klapa's history.As your slovenian friend noted male singing is more closer to partriarhaic countries or better to say areas or regions.Slovenia is surely not patriarhaic but quite modern.
In that manner you may note that Slovenia has tradition in yodl singing, but as yodl singing is connected with Alps and native folks, can we say that yodl singing is traditional and is it slovenian?